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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://andrewensley.com/2009/09/stop-lying-to-us-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-161&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-161&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Caroline&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;p&gt;...there is a possibility he changed his political standing on abortion since then...&lt;/p&gt;
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There is the possibility, yes, but his voting record, policies, nominations, appointees, and proposals do not support that conclusion.  Obama is &lt;i&gt;extremely&lt;/i&gt; pro-abortion.  Not just pro-choice.  Pro-abortion.

He tried to fast track &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Choice_Act&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FOCA&lt;/a&gt; (thankfully it didn&#039;t pass).  He requested that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lifenews.com/nat5200.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dornan amendment&lt;/a&gt; be overturned.  It was.  And you needed to read just four words farther on the Wikipedia article about the Mexico City Policy.  The part that said, &quot;non-governmental organizations (NGOs) &lt;u&gt;that receive federal funding&lt;/u&gt;.&quot;

No apology necessary.  I took no offense to what you said.  I&#039;m sorry if I came off defensive.  I&#039;m pretty passionate about this topic and forget to be polite sometimes.  I was just making another valid point. :-)

While I agree statistics are unreliable, you have to admit that 71% is a pretty fantastic margin.  I don&#039;t think a company as reputable as Zogby would allow for a &gt;21% margin of error.

As far as me drawing conclusions from an incomplete picture, did you read &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.aul.org/2009/09/08/a-pro-life-look-at-the-health-care-reform-bills-currently-in-congress/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the article&lt;/a&gt; I linked to describing the health care plans?  It&#039;s pretty clear to me from that article that abortion is absolutely a part of the proposed plans.

If anything, I hope that I portray sensibility and openness as a pro-lifer.  I&#039;m open to what you or anyone else has to say on the subject, and I try to respond with respect.  After all, I give you props for openly disagreeing with me.  I usually struggle with that myself and (unfortunately) tend to hold resentment against a person I disagree with rather than talking it out with them.

I can agree to disagree.  But I really prefer to clear up any misunderstandings before that point (I know - I&#039;m a stickler).  As a survivor of the worst holocaust humanity has ever known, I feel that I have a duty to try to protect those still in danger.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-161" rel="nofollow">Caroline</a> :</strong></p>
<p>...there is a possibility he changed his political standing on abortion since then...</p>
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<p>There is the possibility, yes, but his voting record, policies, nominations, appointees, and proposals do not support that conclusion.  Obama is <i>extremely</i> pro-abortion.  Not just pro-choice.  Pro-abortion.</p>
<p>He tried to fast track <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Choice_Act" rel="nofollow" class="extlink">FOCA</a> (thankfully it didn't pass).  He requested that the <a href="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5200.html" rel="nofollow" class="extlink">Dornan amendment</a> be overturned.  It was.  And you needed to read just four words farther on the Wikipedia article about the Mexico City Policy.  The part that said, "non-governmental organizations (NGOs) <u>that receive federal funding</u>."</p>
<p>No apology necessary.  I took no offense to what you said.  I'm sorry if I came off defensive.  I'm pretty passionate about this topic and forget to be polite sometimes.  I was just making another valid point. <img src='http://andrewensley.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>While I agree statistics are unreliable, you have to admit that 71% is a pretty fantastic margin.  I don't think a company as reputable as Zogby would allow for a >21% margin of error.</p>
<p>As far as me drawing conclusions from an incomplete picture, did you read <a href="http://blog.aul.org/2009/09/08/a-pro-life-look-at-the-health-care-reform-bills-currently-in-congress/" rel="nofollow" class="extlink">the article</a> I linked to describing the health care plans?  It's pretty clear to me from that article that abortion is absolutely a part of the proposed plans.</p>
<p>If anything, I hope that I portray sensibility and openness as a pro-lifer.  I'm open to what you or anyone else has to say on the subject, and I try to respond with respect.  After all, I give you props for openly disagreeing with me.  I usually struggle with that myself and (unfortunately) tend to hold resentment against a person I disagree with rather than talking it out with them.</p>
<p>I can agree to disagree.  But I really prefer to clear up any misunderstandings before that point (I know - I'm a stickler).  As a survivor of the worst holocaust humanity has ever known, I feel that I have a duty to try to protect those still in danger.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://andrewensley.com/2009/09/stop-lying-to-us-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mexico City Policy was for &quot;non-governmental organizations,&quot; not governmental. Which this new policy WOULD be. And the video is from 2007 - there is a possibility he changed his political standing on abortion since then. Even if he hasn&#039;t, he has enough to worry about with the rest of the bill that I am positive this is a concession. I see nowhere that abortion coverage absolutely will be included in the new policy. You are drawing conclusions from an incomplete picture.

And I realize that this is your blog. Which is why I mentioned that for pro-choice people reading your blog, there isn&#039;t as much concern for them in this regard. If I offended you with that, I apologize, since it wasn&#039;t my intention, but it IS a valid point.

Frankly, statistics are unreliable (all statistics, not just ones I disagree with; that is not what I&#039;m insinuating). I know I wasn&#039;t included in the poll. You probably weren&#039;t, either.

You are of course free to believe what you want, as am I. I think we should probably just agree to disagree on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mexico City Policy was for "non-governmental organizations," not governmental. Which this new policy WOULD be. And the video is from 2007 - there is a possibility he changed his political standing on abortion since then. Even if he hasn't, he has enough to worry about with the rest of the bill that I am positive this is a concession. I see nowhere that abortion coverage absolutely will be included in the new policy. You are drawing conclusions from an incomplete picture.</p>
<p>And I realize that this is your blog. Which is why I mentioned that for pro-choice people reading your blog, there isn't as much concern for them in this regard. If I offended you with that, I apologize, since it wasn't my intention, but it IS a valid point.</p>
<p>Frankly, statistics are unreliable (all statistics, not just ones I disagree with; that is not what I'm insinuating). I know I wasn't included in the poll. You probably weren't, either.</p>
<p>You are of course free to believe what you want, as am I. I think we should probably just agree to disagree on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-159&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Caroline &lt;/a&gt; 
What about the way he outright lied to the public?  &quot;No federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.&quot;  That is Just. Not. True.  You just can&#039;t get around the fact that that is an absolute lie.

I realize not everyone agrees with me, but that&#039;s why this is &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; blog.  Also, you might have noticed the statistic at the bottom of the article.  71% of the country agrees with me: there should be no government-funded abortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-159" rel="nofollow">@Caroline </a><br />
What about the way he outright lied to the public?  "No federal dollars will be used to fund abortions."  That is Just. Not. True.  You just can't get around the fact that that is an absolute lie.</p>
<p>I realize not everyone agrees with me, but that's why this is <i>my</i> blog.  Also, you might have noticed the statistic at the bottom of the article.  71% of the country agrees with me: there should be no government-funded abortion.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://andrewensley.com/2009/09/stop-lying-to-us-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, your main argument stems around abortion as a rallying cry and, well, if you&#039;re pro-choice? Not really an issue.

And Canada&#039;s doing pretty well with its government-run health care, just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, your main argument stems around abortion as a rallying cry and, well, if you're pro-choice? Not really an issue.</p>
<p>And Canada's doing pretty well with its government-run health care, just sayin'.</p>
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