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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-161&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-161&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Caroline&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;p&gt;...there is a possibility he changed his political standing on abortion since then...&lt;/p&gt;
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There is the possibility, yes, but his voting record, policies, nominations, appointees, and proposals do not support that conclusion.  Obama is &lt;i&gt;extremely&lt;/i&gt; pro-abortion.  Not just pro-choice.  Pro-abortion.

He tried to fast track &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Choice_Act&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FOCA&lt;/a&gt; (thankfully it didn&#039;t pass).  He requested that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lifenews.com/nat5200.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dornan amendment&lt;/a&gt; be overturned.  It was.  And you needed to read just four words farther on the Wikipedia article about the Mexico City Policy.  The part that said, &quot;non-governmental organizations (NGOs) &lt;u&gt;that receive federal funding&lt;/u&gt;.&quot;

No apology necessary.  I took no offense to what you said.  I&#039;m sorry if I came off defensive.  I&#039;m pretty passionate about this topic and forget to be polite sometimes.  I was just making another valid point. :-)

While I agree statistics are unreliable, you have to admit that 71% is a pretty fantastic margin.  I don&#039;t think a company as reputable as Zogby would allow for a &gt;21% margin of error.

As far as me drawing conclusions from an incomplete picture, did you read &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.aul.org/2009/09/08/a-pro-life-look-at-the-health-care-reform-bills-currently-in-congress/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the article&lt;/a&gt; I linked to describing the health care plans?  It&#039;s pretty clear to me from that article that abortion is absolutely a part of the proposed plans.

If anything, I hope that I portray sensibility and openness as a pro-lifer.  I&#039;m open to what you or anyone else has to say on the subject, and I try to respond with respect.  After all, I give you props for openly disagreeing with me.  I usually struggle with that myself and (unfortunately) tend to hold resentment against a person I disagree with rather than talking it out with them.

I can agree to disagree.  But I really prefer to clear up any misunderstandings before that point (I know - I&#039;m a stickler).  As a survivor of the worst holocaust humanity has ever known, I feel that I have a duty to try to protect those still in danger.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-161" rel="nofollow">Caroline</a> :</strong></p>
<p>&#8230;there is a possibility he changed his political standing on abortion since then&#8230;</p>
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<p>There is the possibility, yes, but his voting record, policies, nominations, appointees, and proposals do not support that conclusion.  Obama is <i>extremely</i> pro-abortion.  Not just pro-choice.  Pro-abortion.</p>
<p>He tried to fast track <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Choice_Act" rel="nofollow">FOCA</a> (thankfully it didn&#8217;t pass).  He requested that the <a href="http://www.lifenews.com/nat5200.html" rel="nofollow">Dornan amendment</a> be overturned.  It was.  And you needed to read just four words farther on the Wikipedia article about the Mexico City Policy.  The part that said, &#8220;non-governmental organizations (NGOs) <u>that receive federal funding</u>.&#8221;</p>
<p>No apology necessary.  I took no offense to what you said.  I&#8217;m sorry if I came off defensive.  I&#8217;m pretty passionate about this topic and forget to be polite sometimes.  I was just making another valid point. <img src='http://andrewensley.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>While I agree statistics are unreliable, you have to admit that 71% is a pretty fantastic margin.  I don&#8217;t think a company as reputable as Zogby would allow for a >21% margin of error.</p>
<p>As far as me drawing conclusions from an incomplete picture, did you read <a href="http://blog.aul.org/2009/09/08/a-pro-life-look-at-the-health-care-reform-bills-currently-in-congress/" rel="nofollow">the article</a> I linked to describing the health care plans?  It&#8217;s pretty clear to me from that article that abortion is absolutely a part of the proposed plans.</p>
<p>If anything, I hope that I portray sensibility and openness as a pro-lifer.  I&#8217;m open to what you or anyone else has to say on the subject, and I try to respond with respect.  After all, I give you props for openly disagreeing with me.  I usually struggle with that myself and (unfortunately) tend to hold resentment against a person I disagree with rather than talking it out with them.</p>
<p>I can agree to disagree.  But I really prefer to clear up any misunderstandings before that point (I know &#8211; I&#8217;m a stickler).  As a survivor of the worst holocaust humanity has ever known, I feel that I have a duty to try to protect those still in danger.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://andrewensley.com/2009/09/stop-lying-to-us-obama/comment-page-1/#comment-161</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mexico City Policy was for &quot;non-governmental organizations,&quot; not governmental. Which this new policy WOULD be. And the video is from 2007 - there is a possibility he changed his political standing on abortion since then. Even if he hasn&#039;t, he has enough to worry about with the rest of the bill that I am positive this is a concession. I see nowhere that abortion coverage absolutely will be included in the new policy. You are drawing conclusions from an incomplete picture.

And I realize that this is your blog. Which is why I mentioned that for pro-choice people reading your blog, there isn&#039;t as much concern for them in this regard. If I offended you with that, I apologize, since it wasn&#039;t my intention, but it IS a valid point.

Frankly, statistics are unreliable (all statistics, not just ones I disagree with; that is not what I&#039;m insinuating). I know I wasn&#039;t included in the poll. You probably weren&#039;t, either.

You are of course free to believe what you want, as am I. I think we should probably just agree to disagree on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mexico City Policy was for &#8220;non-governmental organizations,&#8221; not governmental. Which this new policy WOULD be. And the video is from 2007 &#8211; there is a possibility he changed his political standing on abortion since then. Even if he hasn&#8217;t, he has enough to worry about with the rest of the bill that I am positive this is a concession. I see nowhere that abortion coverage absolutely will be included in the new policy. You are drawing conclusions from an incomplete picture.</p>
<p>And I realize that this is your blog. Which is why I mentioned that for pro-choice people reading your blog, there isn&#8217;t as much concern for them in this regard. If I offended you with that, I apologize, since it wasn&#8217;t my intention, but it IS a valid point.</p>
<p>Frankly, statistics are unreliable (all statistics, not just ones I disagree with; that is not what I&#8217;m insinuating). I know I wasn&#8217;t included in the poll. You probably weren&#8217;t, either.</p>
<p>You are of course free to believe what you want, as am I. I think we should probably just agree to disagree on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-159&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Caroline &lt;/a&gt; 
What about the way he outright lied to the public?  &quot;No federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.&quot;  That is Just. Not. True.  You just can&#039;t get around the fact that that is an absolute lie.

I realize not everyone agrees with me, but that&#039;s why this is &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; blog.  Also, you might have noticed the statistic at the bottom of the article.  71% of the country agrees with me: there should be no government-funded abortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-159" rel="nofollow">@Caroline </a><br />
What about the way he outright lied to the public?  &#8220;No federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.&#8221;  That is Just. Not. True.  You just can&#8217;t get around the fact that that is an absolute lie.</p>
<p>I realize not everyone agrees with me, but that&#8217;s why this is <i>my</i> blog.  Also, you might have noticed the statistic at the bottom of the article.  71% of the country agrees with me: there should be no government-funded abortion.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, your main argument stems around abortion as a rallying cry and, well, if you&#039;re pro-choice? Not really an issue.

And Canada&#039;s doing pretty well with its government-run health care, just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, your main argument stems around abortion as a rallying cry and, well, if you&#8217;re pro-choice? Not really an issue.</p>
<p>And Canada&#8217;s doing pretty well with its government-run health care, just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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